Mind Tapped Podcast
In this thought-provoking podcast, Nick and Latrice dive deep beneath the surface of hidden agendas, corporate culture, discrimination, consciousness, spirituality, and much more. Through insightful conversations, they unravel the layers of human behavior, and shed light on the complexities of our interconnected world. Join them every other week as they leave no stone unturned navigating these profound topics.
Mind Tapped Podcast
"Strings of Fear: How Control Shapes Our Choices"
Who’s really pulling the strings? Puppeteers of the Mind dives deep into the hidden forces shaping our thoughts, fears, and decisions. From corporations and media to social structures and psychological conditioning, this podcast unravels how manipulation keeps us in a cycle of obedience, consumption, and fear-based choices. Join us as we expose the tactics used to control the masses—and explore ways to break free from the invisible strings.
Welcome to another episode of MindTapped, where we come to unplug and discuss a variety of topics and challenge the collective routine thoughts while supporting individuality and free thinkers. I'm Nick, and joining me is my co-host, latrice hey, latrice.
Speaker 2:Hey everyone, hey Nick, what's going on?
Speaker 1:You doing all right today.
Speaker 2:I am doing good today. Today is a good day.
Speaker 1:I think it's crazy that it was the warmest it was going to be all day when we woke up today. It just got colder all day long.
Speaker 2:I thought it was getting colder when I walked out this afternoon. I was like that wind. Sure is chilly, yep.
Speaker 1:So thanks for joining us Today we're going to be discussing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, welcome back, welcome back. Today we're going to be discussing, really, the puppeteers of fear, and we got four big ones for you. We're going to be talking about marketing companies, politicians in the government, religious institutes that's a good one and businesses too. So we're going to be talking about how they exploit our primal instincts to manipulate us, to keep us compliant, keep us buying those products and too scared to do anything about it. They've uncovered the cheat code to elicit split-second decisions based on fear of consequence rather than pursuing joy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is going to be a good topic today. Good puppeteers, mental puppeteers, and I wanted to start it off talking about the concept of the quote-unquote mental puppeteers like AKA, like you said, the government, corporations, medias, religious, social, different social and the social constructs, and I wanted to talk about how they shape our behavior and how you're being controlled or you're being swayed to go one way over the other without necessarily knowing that it's happening. And when we talk about it today, I hope everybody leaves this conversation thinking like, hmm, am I making this choice today based on what I want or am I making this choice based on what I'm told that I want? So, as far as unique, what comes to mind when you talk about the manipulation of it? What is the biggest thing you think that they manipulate as we?
Speaker 1:Great question. That's a really good question because, again, I really think that what they are doing is locking into that most primal of instinct, which is survival and for humans to survive for as long as we did prior to building civilizations, all of our actions were predicated off of fear, and multiplying that was about it. So that's why all ads if you look at it at the heart of it, they're talking about something that you were afraid of, either happening or not happening, or they're selling sex. You know, they do things like that all the time. When it comes to commercials, when it comes to television shows, to commercials. When it comes to television shows, there was a big backlash back in 2015, 2016, of when Star Wars came back, they were saying oh well, now there's a female lead character instead of a male lead character. There was a lot of uproar over that, just in how people felt that things were trying to be put in their face, so to speak, even though there's really nothing wrong with there being a female lead character.
Speaker 2:Well, you know that goes back to what we were saying about the structure, the social structure of everything, but you mentioned something about them using our primal instincts to control us. Can you dive deeper into that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so a lot of if we're talking strictly marketing companies, even politicians. They use fear of missing out. Oftentimes it is something where they, hey, you know everyone's got this particular brand. If you don't have it, you're not cool.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, how many times have you seen that? It was like FUBU in my day.
Speaker 2:Like I remember, like when I was in high school, it was FUBU and Baby Phat and Sean John If you didn't have that on, you were not hot so I can see how they can control our thoughts. Something as simple as that, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And you know again, with the fear of missing out, they've got you really concerned that if I don't have this particular product, if I don't behave on this earth, it was primal. It hadn't been until the last five, 10, maybe 15,000 years that we've really built civilizations, we've come out of, you know, caveman mentality. Prior to that it was all just survival. And they have tapped into that because if you are outside of the group, you're not safe.
Speaker 2:As you were talking, I was just in here thinking, yeah, that's true, you're stronger when you have a pack or you have multiple people, versus you being solo.
Speaker 1:You're not as protected as they say yeah, and so you are hardwired, uh, over millions of years of evolution, to try to fit into a box that everyone else is in, and if you don't, you're, you're, fearful that you're not going to survive. And it's, oh, that's how you did that. I see it. Oh, I see how you did that.
Speaker 2:I see it's subconscious. I see how you did that, cause I'm sitting here thinking like, yeah, that's true, like it's primal to survive, but in order to survive the way society is set up, in order to survive, you try to fit into the group.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and they have tapped into a to subconsciously program us to believe that. Ain't that some stuff? That's crazy. As you was talking, I'm just like wait a minute, is anybody out there feeling the same? Because I'm just like, wait a minute, what's going on? And so that goes into. You want to fit in a group, so you're going to normally comply to certain rules and regulations in order to fit in said group, and when you, I feel like, when you become compliant, to a sense like you're not using your own critical thinking, like you're being like told what to do, and I feel like marketing and the education of it all is teaching our generations and our children that to not have critical thinking, just be compliant.
Speaker 2:This is the rule, this is. This is how it's going to go. You do this because I said so. You do this like it's. It's not teaching them to question the why, and it definitely goes into all religion. For one thing, religion is one of the biggest things Like oh my God, you know how many people, and let's not get too. Religion is one of those things, y'all. It's one of those things where it's so deep that if you even dare question somebody on their religion, it's like World war iii.
Speaker 1:That's how deep religion is it truly is because, again, whether most world religions, whether you know you, most world religions are based on fear and they're based on getting their target audience when they're young. When you look at I mean, think about it for just a minute what would your child have to do for you to feel that adequate punishment was torturing them?
Speaker 2:Nothing.
Speaker 1:Nothing why.
Speaker 2:Because I don't want her to be tortured.
Speaker 1:Because you love her.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so religion teaches in Christianity specifically that your punishment if you can do anything you can be a rapist, a murderer, you can do anything so long as you are repentant and you believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior, you are going to go to heaven. But if you do not believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior, even if you did all the right things, did everything that you were supposed to, you were kind, you acted as Christ did.
Speaker 1:You your punishment for not believing is an eternity of torture and pain, but God loves you.
Speaker 2:That's true Because, like you said, I wouldn't want to torture my daughter because I love her. So how can you love me and torture me, condemn me to torture at the same time?
Speaker 1:And not just a five-minute torture session. Eternally, eternally, beyond anything in which your human mind can even comprehend. For all of eternity, you were tortured.
Speaker 2:That used to scare me when I was a kid. Yeah, that is so true. That used to scare me when I was a kid, like, oh, jesus is going to punish me. But another thing I want to talk about another. I know we talk about religion and we're talking about corporations, corporations and marketing, but like, what about?
Speaker 1:the church is a corporation in and of itself church is definitely a non-profit corporation. That's what they, that's what they say, that's what they say and they're driving the BMWs and have their private jets and everything. Put a dollar in the box.
Speaker 2:Yeah, living well. That's why they have expensive cars and expensive homes, because they're blessed by Jesus. But the rest of you, you make sure you pay your tithe so that you know you can get blessed by Jesus, even though it may be your light, be a money. We have to do a whole episode just on religion alone, because it's just going to be way too much. But what I was going to say, um is how another thing I want to talk about was how authority figures like police, um officers, um, law enforcement, politician how they also reinforce obedience through not only law but also, like you said, through fear. You mentioned something about the. When it's election time, it's not what I can do for you, it's what that person is doing. Look at what that person is doing and look at what that person is doing. So you're really never focusing truly on a candidate Out of fear. If you think one way and out of fear, they're going to try to get you not to pick the other person, and they do that on both sides.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do that Almost every political ad that you're ever going to see or that you have seen so far and that you're probably ever going to see. For the rest of your doesn't matter. If it's for sheriff, it doesn't matter. It is a smear campaign on the other person to try to make them look as bad as possible, because you are more motivated to go to the voting booth and vote against something you're scared of than to vote for something that you like.
Speaker 2:Yes, our presidential election here in the United States was a prime example of that.
Speaker 1:Tell me more.
Speaker 2:Fear. I feel like Trump played on. If we're going to call it a black woman being in office, we're going to start there. Kamala, she ran off the fear of women you won't be able to control your bodies. Trans people you won't be able to control your bodies. Trans people you won't be able to do this Like it's a fear. So they both ran off different fears and also with Kamala, trump was more like oh, y'all didn't like Biden. Biden wasn't doing this, it's YZ, so you don't want more of it. Come over here to this side.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And by doing it, you know Trump is in office now, but People feel what I. What I took from the election is people fear more, Even if the campaign was true or not. People feel more about their money not having their money, not having been financially stable, our immigration policies and let's white, let's make America great again and I'm still trying to figure out when it was great, but the let's make America great again, and it was more people in this country. They feel they were more fear of not being in a level of power Because, lord forbid, we'd be equal. That was more scary. So people voted for Trump.
Speaker 2:And now we only a couple of weeks into the couple of months, a couple of months now. A couple months now, yeah, and a lot of people are regretting, you know, said decisions according to the media.
Speaker 1:Which is another thing we can get into how similar a campaign is a political campaign is to a marketing group, because that's really what they're doing. So you had someone who was able to get you fearful of not being able to control your body, so you were appealing to a particular subset of people. You had another candidate who was appealing to people who were, who felt that they had lost ground, even though, when you look rationally, when you're scared, you're not thinking rationally. Right, you're not thinking rationally And're not thinking rationally. And how do you gain that power back? How do you feel like you're in control? Again, you get angry exactly, exactly so when?
Speaker 1:when you've got this great marketer because from what I can tell, that's about the only thing he's really good at but you've got this great marketer going out there and feeding this story to people. That you've got is so much worse than you ever have. But when you look at the stock market, it was at record highs. When you look at inflation, yeah, it was up. In the early years it had gone down. It's not exactly where they wanted it to be, but it's starting to get worse now. And it's in direct relation to a lot of these policies and people were not thinking rationally because they were afraid.
Speaker 2:Yes, Now they're getting a little logical out there and they're like wait a minute, what's going on? What happened? And some people still like I've had conversations, some people are still so they so deep in their fear for it. They are so deep in their fear that sometimes I'm having a conversation and I'm trying to understand like you really believe, you really believe what you're saying and I know it's a different and everybody has a right to their opinions and their decisions. But I really was like having this conversation with this guy and I really was sitting there like, oh, this is how this work, because you really believe what you're saying. Yeah, crazy work.
Speaker 1:And do you know where fear is actually materialized in your body? Where fear is actually materialized in your body? No, where your chase. It is your brain stem, which is the, the most primal, very first portion of your brain that ever develops it is. It is the like when you look at reptiles, they've got got a brainstem. Basically that's about it. So it literally appeals to like your reptilian brain.
Speaker 2:I get that. I get that. I never knew that, though, about the brain brainstem. That's where you hold fear in your body. It is in your brainstem that's some you hold fear in your body, and it's in your brainstem that's some deep stuff right there Exactly, that is really some deep thought out, intentional manipulation, wow.
Speaker 1:If you want power, how better to do it than to appeal to the most basic, not even human, but animalistic instinct? And manipulate through that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you think about it. When you are fearful, you do think irrational. A lot of people are in prison right now because they was afraid and got irrational. Yeah, when you're afraid you, because they was afraid and got irrational, yeah, when you're afraid you do, you do get. You are irrational Interesting.
Speaker 1:And you know you can't really talk about fear without discussing our livelihoods and businesses, because all of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, almost all of us work for a living. Almost all of us, yeah, almost all of us work for a living. Almost all of us do. And we've talked about the workplace before, we've talked about education before, so y'all go check out those episodes. I want to hear a little bit more about that.
Speaker 1:When it comes to the corporation and you're working, your body does not know, your brain does not know the difference between that email that came in that's calling out an important missed deadline, and a hungry lion that's leaped out in front of you. I mean, think about that and you're locked in this position to where you cannot react with your primal instinct, which is what it's played to. It's played to that brainstem. You can't just run out of your office screaming, you know, for safety. Nor can you walk across the hall and punch the guy that sent the email because you're in fight or flight mode. You have to sit there and internalize that and get that stress out of your body somehow. And the more emails that come, the more drop-ins that happen, the more things that you're fearful of, because really, anytime you've missed a deadline, anytime you get that that scowl from your boss, you are fearful of being outside of that safety net that you were in Right, and once you're kicked out of that safety net, you're food for the predators on the outside who are coming.
Speaker 2:Your food for the predators on the outside who are?
Speaker 2:coming. Nobody wants to be the prey. Nobody wants to be the prey but you mentioned something about. I wanted to talk about the consumerism because that is very what the point you just made is very true. Early in the conversation you was talking about consumerism and I wanted to talk about the psychology behind the advertising and how it exploits the human desires and its insecurities. Like you said, it's like having the latest this, having the latest that. How do you think they play on our human desire, which, is you saying, is to fit in? But it can be a human desire of trying to attract the other mate with something as simple as perfume, and that's a human desire to be, want, like to be accepted, right? So in order to do that and attract the opposite sex, you bear this perfume and it feeds your human desire, in your, in your insecurities at the same time. Am I making sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are, you are. That's a really good one too to bring up is like perfume and makeup, things like that, because it plays on both, both of the largest human instincts that there are, which is again fear, and multiplying. So if you don't get this perfume, you are not going to attract that mate, so you are not going to be able to continue your lineage.
Speaker 2:That's deep. And what about, like the culture of between, how we identify with material materialism, like, like you got to have the wife by in the art of husband by 25 and have the kid in the house by 30 with the high paying six, six-figure job? That's what they tell us this is. But that is a level of them using materialism to play on our insecurity to justify where we line up and who we are or who we are not in society.
Speaker 1:Well, they've got you chasing that for a couple of different reasons. One is the more you buy into that, and the more you chase it, the more you're going to work for them, the more bought in you're going to be into the ideas that they've already sold to you. One of the other main points to that is that starts putting timestamps on things. That starts making you predictable, because you don't want to be on the outside of that, because if you are, then oh, what's wrong with this person?
Speaker 2:Why aren't they married yeah?
Speaker 1:they're, they're 36. They've never been married before, or hey he?
Speaker 2:you single with no kids at 30. Why?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the damaged goods. What's happened to this person?
Speaker 2:Yeah, very true, and we were talking about, we were talking about you, we was talking about materialism and consumerism, and but when we were talking about that, it made me think about another control mechanism, which is debt. So, right, yeah, they so they feed. They feed you your insecurities and your fear. You go, they feed you an idea of what success is, so you go into debt with everything, but then you get into debt and then they use it to control you. It's a form of keeping people enslaved to the jobs that we were just talking about that they hate. You see how I tied that together. See how I tied that together the consumerism trap. That's how they do it, man. They play on your insecurities, right?
Speaker 2:yep and your human desires, and then they make you crave what's new you want. I want the new apple phone, iphone, I want the nudist, the new that knew that the old is out. And then they can connect your identity to materialism, to where it's like oh, in order to be successful, in order to be somebody, you have to buy these, which then you go into debt, and then they use the debt to then control you and enslave you to the job that you hate.
Speaker 1:And you know why that works Because of fear.
Speaker 2:Out of fear.
Speaker 1:yeah, Because of fear, because for millions of years, the more things you collected, the more insulated and safe you were. And then, the more things you collected, the higher up the chain you were within any kind of hierarchy, within wherever it was you were living, whatever like cave, village or whatever you were in. Hey, this guy over here has more than anyone, so he's obviously better than the rest of us because he's found a way to accumulate all this in an environment where it's almost impossible to accumulate anything, because you're literally just trying to survive. You're trying not to get eaten, right.
Speaker 2:AKA, the 1% of the world.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:They keep more and more and more and more to keep isolating, isolating, isolating, you know, keep retention. The more they have, the more protected they are, cause I mean they just we are human at the end of the day. They just own a different level of money. So I mean it's crazy when you think about it, but I mean, when you put it on a basic level like that, you understand why people are the way they are.
Speaker 1:So that is why I feel that the majority of us in these lives do not pursue joy. We instead pursue safety, because it's hardwired into our needs.
Speaker 2:We pursue safety over joy. We pursue safety over joy, and we've been told that safety is having the college for your degree with the corporate job, which is really, when you think about it, one of the most unsafe positions to be in, because at any moment you can be cut, at any moment you can be cut. So you're really not that safe, but at any moment you can be cut. So you're really not that safe. But you're trained to think that you are because it's a constant paycheck every two weeks or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1:It gives you a sense of security when, in actuality, it can be snatched at any time. Well, there's safety in numbers, and when you look at the percentage of the population that works for other people, you are within this huge aggregate of people. You've got to think that working age people who are between the ages of, let's say, 18 to 65, well over 50% are in the workforce.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:So if you are not one of them in the herd, then you are outside. You're fearful and our society has been built off of consumerism and you are hardwired to believe that the more stuff you have, the happier you're going to be. And it's real easy. It's real easy for people who don't have a lot to feel that that is true, Because at that point, your main concerns still are surviving, because you're working like crazy you are, your income is very low, is very difficult for you to find a place to stay and to meet all of your needs off of that particular income. So you in that position are really living as a, as they did back in those prehistoric days, where your daily grind is virtually surviving. That's really all you're doing and the majority of people are doing that. I think we're going to have to take a look at some of the stats. But 40 to 50 percent yeah, 50 percent of households, because it's median income 50 percent of households are surviving off of less than $80,000 a year in the US, and that's pre-tax, that's before anything.
Speaker 2:So that's a forte. So it really is really not. That's probably more like 65, 67, maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and these are households where they are averaging like four people living in them. So when you take a look at having to buy, having to pay for the shelter, having to pay for the food, having to pay for the things that are illegal to go without insurance, If you have a vehicle, you know you don't have anything left. So 50 percent at a minimum, 50 percent of Americans are in survival mode.
Speaker 2:I would say, I would say it's more than that. I would say it's more than that, honestly oh, it is. I feel like it's probably closer to, at least probably like 70%. I was going to say 70 to 75.
Speaker 1:I'm just using that median as like alright, so 50% are above this threshold. 50% are below it. And think about it $80,000 for a household of four, pre-tax, pre-insurance, is not that much.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, A house of four is true. It's barely enough for a house of one of two, for sure.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But we've. But we you've made some key points on this conversation you about fear and how to use control, and even had some times where I was like, hmm, that's interesting, I never thought about it like that and so I know if I've had that conversation, you all out there are thinking the same. But I wanted to talk about, like, how do we deprogram? How do we deprogram from the control? How do we deprogram from? This is what success is. I need all this to be happy. How do we start that deprogramming?
Speaker 1:That's a great question and it's just like any other problem that you have and as dumb as this sounds, you know, recognizing there's an issue is the first step to trying to fix the issue. You've got to learn how to recognize the programming. If you were feeling triggered about something, chances are that's intentional and they don't even want you to catch that you've been triggered. They just need that reaction, that fear-based reaction, and then for you to get angry or to feel like continue with the fear of hey, I've got to get this.
Speaker 2:I also think that we need to question the narratives and question and start back with critical thinking. I think this I would think that's the first step of deprogramming is answering questions like why? Like if they don't feel right, why, why do I have to do it like this, why does it like this, why is it this, why is it that? And then using your critical thinking is the first step to me with deprogramming. Like just answering like why.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've got to recognize it and then you've got to question it. When you feel that trigger, you've got to question like oh, what do you want to call it? Part of the deprogramming is going to be practicing mindfulness and self-awareness. You know that can be meditating, it can be just taking some time for yourself. What are some of the things you do to unwind and practice mindfulness?
Speaker 2:I do. When I wake up in the morning I do. I sit for maybe like 10, 15 minutes in the morning in quietness before I do anything, even before my feet touch the floor in the morning, and then at the night, at nighttime, I normally do yoga and meditation. If I'm throughout the day trying to keep my be mindful at work, like, I noticed how my body is sitting in my chair, so if my back is hurting, it brings me back to my consciousness. Oh, okay, we're not sitting straight, like that's what I do to keep keep to stay mindful and to be present in the moment. But and when it comes to being emotionally triggered from the stress part of it, I just take a walk.
Speaker 1:So you said in the morning, you will sit for 15 minutes by yourself in silence. In the darkness, yeah, you said before your feet even hit the floor. So are you thinking about anything? What are you doing during that 15-minute time period?
Speaker 2:Listening to silence.
Speaker 1:And just mind.
Speaker 2:Just quiet. I'm thinking about how quiet it is.
Speaker 1:That is beautiful.
Speaker 2:This is quiet In this world.
Speaker 1:You don't get that unless you make the time for it. I was going to ask do you feel thrown off if you don't get that time?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely feel thrown off. I feel my morning is rushed. When my morning is rushed, then I get in, I feel anxious, which frustrates me, which anything can piss me off, and then I'm angry and I'm getting and I'm being controlled, but not not taking control in the beginning of the morning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that anger is trying to get that control back.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:So, for what I do, I am working on mindfulness. It's something that I've really started working hard on over the course of the last probably four or five months or so the last probably four or five months or so and in the morning I wake up and, before my feet hit the ground, I am thinking affirmations. I am thinking, you know, to me these are key factors in life. I sit there and I think healthy, because if you don't have your health, you don't have anything.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I think happy, because you want to be happy, and then I think abundance, because if you've got abundance but you're not happy, it doesn't matter, and it's in that order for me. I want to be healthy, happy and abundant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1:I do that when I wake up and at night. I have found this. I'm laughing because it you know, 10 years ago I'd have been like, oh my God. I found this guided meditation that lasts about 10 to 11 minutes and it is one of the most soothing things I think I've done in my adult life and I'll do that probably around 930, 10 o'clock. I'll do that a few times times. I've fallen asleep doing it, but I try not to and it has made a huge difference in my mindset, my quality of sleep. I feel like it truly has started to deprogram all of those stress triggers. It's not to say that I still don't get triggered from time to time, but I feel a lot more in control. I feel like it's hard to explain, but my mindset is different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, practicing mindfulness and resisting resisting emotional manipulation is keen to deprogramming and, I'd also think, redefining success outside of consumerism and social expectations. Building financial literacy to escape the economic traps we talked about today and doing what you just said being mindful, even if it starts with quietness, like me, or affirmations, like Nick. Find something, something to kind of start your morning off, cause I feel I'm a believer If you start your morning off slow and quiet, it set the tone for the rest of your day.
Speaker 1:It's funny how, when you start doing things for yourself like that, when you skip it, you really really notice, even more so than you know like for your body. What we've been talking about is a lot for the mind, but for the body, if you skip the gym, you're not going to feel as good If you haven't done it in a long time. It can be somewhat painful to try to get back into that habit of doing that.
Speaker 2:Very much so. But yeah, I think this is a good conversation. I just want to, at the end of the day, encourage our listeners to reflect on where they may be unconsciously controlled and, like you said, take Nick's advice, take my advice, make your own advice, but just develop some kind of stilts, even if it's five minutes. Take my advice, make your own advice, but just develop some kind of steps, even if it's five minutes in the morning. Start somewhere to be mindful and to just tap in with your own thinking and just start the morning slow. Start the morning slow, even if you got to get up earlier. You got to make the time in the morning. To start it slow, you got to make the time in the morning to start it slow, absolutely, and the trees.
Speaker 1:I really feel that this particular episode has displayed the dichotomy of what mind tapped is all about, because you've got what we're talking about issues, we're talking about mindfulness. So there's going to be some topics that we talk about that are hot button. They're going to be somewhat triggering for some people, because we're talking about inequalities, we're talking about social structures, we're talking about things like that, but at the same time, we're also going to take time to talk about some philosophical things, some spirituality, some things that we do to help unwind, and because if you stay in that constant state of anger, it's no good for your being.
Speaker 2:I like to think of it as awareness is the first step to freedom that's the reason why. That's one of the main reasons why I wanted to do this, do this podcast. So awareness is the first step to freedom. I think, whatever episode we talk about, understand that. That's that's the goal. Awareness is the first step to freedom, and that that's the purpose of me doing MindTap.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I love that, I love that and I feel the same way.
Speaker 2:We talked about a lot of things today. We're going to definitely have another conversation about religion, because Nick got something to say. Okay, something to say okay, we definitely going to have a conversation about religion and we just want to thank you all for joining us on this journey. Thank you for listening. Let us know what your thoughts are, send us some topics, what you want to talk about, but thank you for joining us again and until next time we out.